Wednesday, December 31, 2008

31st: Forgot to mention...

Forgot to mention that another Eckford family (Robert and Elizabeth (Young) FAIRBAIRN) has been added to the Wanted! list.

In addition, the pedigree for Robert Brinckerhoff FAIRBAIRN that was already on the WFN Patriarch's page has been included in the DNA Projects Portal site (where it can be more readily updated) as new information has come to hand (from the Brigham Young University digital archives, thanks to Sanna). There are a few problems with the dates in the lineage given, but probably some basis in truth.

11th kit, and assorted pedigree updates

Welcome to James, our 11th participant.
I've been fossicking around trying to see if I might manage to link up the 1a, 1b, 1c lineages.
Jury still out on that, but as a result I have included more information on likely progenitors for a couple of these lineages, and added comments about same to the relevant pages, in particular:
George and Janet (Murray) Fairbairn
James and Elspeth (Trotter) Fairbairn and possible son
Thomas (possibly marr. Isobel Smith)
(and as a result, my knowledge of some of the earlier Fairbairn families has grown considerably).

Also, as per my personal web pages, John A (marr. Sarah Daughterty and Charity Smithson) Fairbairn has now been officially placed as son of David & Jane (WILLIAMSON) - but the plea for representative of this line to join the dna project still stands as my identification goes against two of his official certificates, (marriage and death).

Thursday, December 18, 2008

67 marker results in for Goodfellow line

Results table has been updated to show the latest set of markers in - for Doug (F-6) of the line of James FAIRBAIRN and Helen GOODFELLOW.
Closest match is now with F-8 the descendant of the Rideau Canal Thomas (marr. Elspeth REDPATH), at a Genetic Distance (GD) 7 by the official FT dna reports, although bear in mind their response to my puzzlement over this, which said take some off that for those markers in the faster mutating range.

As to how close their Most Recent Common Ancestor is? This TMRCA web site may help explain (although it only goes up to 37 markers).
By reading this I finally realised that it isn't just the fact that marker x differs, but by how many steps on that marker, the values differ.

Remember however that mutations can creep in at ANY generation. I have 2nd cousins who show up at GD 1, and they share a great grandfather.

Wednesday, December 17, 2008

Potential lineage for Trotter

Trotter FAIRBAIRN's page has been updated to reflect David's and my independent research into a possible lineage for Trotter.

Does anyone have any information on the families of:
  • James FAIRBAIRN and Elspeth TROTTER - married Eccles 1732
  • Thomas FAIRBAIRN and Isobel SMITH - married Stitchel 1771
  • and of course Trotter himself
that helps confirm or deny these educated guesses?

Friday, December 12, 2008

Welcome to our 10th participant

Joe (F-10) has joined the project. He is a descendant of the Albert of Liverpool who emigrated to Hoquiam, Washington State, whose obituary stated that John A FAIRBAIRN Jr of Hoquiam was a "cousin", although it is very unclear from paper trails how this might be.

Any male FAIRBAIRN descendant of John's would also be most welcome to join to "test" this stated relationship, especially as John's family also claim cousinship with descendants of David and Jane (WILLIAMSON) FAIRBAIRN, David being a brother to William of Wakefield Quebec, ancestor of Roy (F-3)

The DNA Surnames pages have been updated to include Joe and his lineage, and the FAIRBAIRN Wanted! pages likewise.

Tuesday, December 9, 2008

Wanted!

The Wanted! Fairbairn page has had a more few charts added for the Wanted! lines.

More to come.

Love to hear from anyone wanting to join the project.

Friday, December 5, 2008

Full 67 markers in for F-8, Lineage 1

F-8's full 67 marker results are now in, and I've shuffled the result table a tad to align him better with his closer matches.
I'm still calling this a sub branch of Lineage 1, but would welcome anyone to interpret how close, or otherwise they all look now (bearing in mind the explanations on the Genetic Distance numbers from FT DNA in an earlier post)!

Have hopes of a candidate from the line of Archibald and Jane (BLAKEY) FAIRBAIRN, all going well (yet to be added to the Wanted! page)

Sunday, November 30, 2008

Wanted! / test discounts

Check out the updated Wanted! page, it now has more of the families where representatives are need to confirm lineages, or would be very useful/interesting to have in the project.

Until the end of December FamilyTreeDNA are offering Christmas specials on new tests ordered, so if anyone is interested in joining in, now is a very good time to do so.
The discounts only apply if you order via the surname project, so make sure you use the join project link (don't worry, you get to read some things first by clicking on that link and aren't automatically committing yourself), on the Fairbairn project pages
For useful comparisons with other lineages, the minimum test recommended is 37 markers, but 67 would be preferred.
Should you be considering this, and are the first to represent a line, or belong to line where a confirming test is required, there may be a subsidy available. Contact the Project Administrator first if you think this may apply.

Likewise, if you have any questions not answered by the FAQs available on the Fairbairn project pages or at FamilyTree DNA, please don't hesitate to contact the Project Administrator, as we'd love for you to be reassured that this is a completely harmless process, and you wont have police knocking on your door because of your dna, nor any medical conditions exposed. Those are completely different, much more elaborate tests.

Come and join the fun, the more lines represented the better.

Wednesday, November 26, 2008

Explanation re the larger GD than expected from the 36/37 match

FamilyTree DNA have replied to my query about why the apparent discrepancies between the Genetic Distance (GD) values that you'd count from the 36/37 marker match (GD 1) being reported on the personal pages as GD 3 (this between Doug (F-6) and David (F-7).

The correspondence is below for you to interpret yourself, but my interpretation is that we can take 2 off the GD counts on the personal pages because the mutations are isolated, given how well the rest of the markers match.
I also extrapolated that to the GDs being reported with the rest of Lineage 1 (Martin is shown as GD 6 and Earl and Roy as GD 7), so this would bring them back to 4 and 5 respectively?
Although given the differences are in a range of markers shown as having a faster mutation rate, I'd like to see how this all pans out at 67 markers.
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From Darren (FT DNA):

The reason this is being thrown off is that we see a genetic distance of 3 happening at CDYb,. David has a 35 where as Douglas has an 18. However this is likely only a genetic distance of on with one the 35 from CDY a copying over the 38 of CDYb, so instead of 15 18, we see 15 15 in one mutation event. If we were to see three individual mutations at this single marker we would expect to see a lot more mutations happening at other markers. So we can likely treat this as a single mutation event and reduce the genetic distance by two to all of his matches at the 37 marker level, based on this single marker. We do not yet have a system implemented to show these types of mutations in the database so far right now it will continue to be read as a genetic distance of three when comparing the two men. We are seeking to improve this.
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-----Original Message-----
From: FAIRBAIRN DNA
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 6:38 PM
To: darren
Subject: GD numbers?

Hi Darren,

I'm puzzled.

From my FAIRBAIRN GAP pages, clicking on the GD Report for David Fairbairn, to see what his newest set of results do to the GD reports, I get (at 37 markers):

https://www.familytreedna.com/gdrules_37.html
Name Distance
Doug Fairbairn 3
Martin Fairbairn (Y67) 6
G. Roy Fairbairn (Y67) 7
Earl Fairburn (Y67) 7


The GD info at
https://www.familytreedna.com/gdrules_37.html

shows a GD 3 as 34/37, BUT

the results show that
kit 131048 is a 36/37 match.
And the GD 6 and 7 above are 34/37 and 33/37 by my calcs.

What am I missing?

Lorna

Tuesday, November 25, 2008

25th: Sunderland and Ontario match looking good

Full 37 marker results now in for F-7, David with the Trotter F. m. Jean F. 1795 Ladykirk, who moved south into Sunderland.
There's a 36/37 marker match with the representative (Doug, F-6) of the family of James & Helen (GOODFELLOW) FAIRBAIRN , which family emigrated to Spencerville, Ontario in the 1830s.

At 37 markers, David is apparently a Genetic Distance (GD) of 3 from Doug (was GD 0 at the 25/25 match); and has slipped to GD 6 with Martin (F-1), and GD 7 with Earl (F-2) and Roy (F-3), which at 25 markers were all GD 1.
I need to swot up on how this is calculated, particularly as a 36/37 match ended up a GD of 3 instead of the GD 1 I thought it was, and Martin/Earl/Roy ended up at GD 6 and GD 7!!

WFN Results pages updated with the above results.

Sorry about this blog being repeatedly marked as spam. I've requested, yet again, it be unblocked.
But I will persevere with this format for the project diary as I like the label filtering over what the forums offer.

GD findings:
I found the following explanations of Genetic Distance which all seems fair enough, EXCEPT that on the individual GD reports available on the admin pages, the actual GD numbers given are far higher than the marker results appear to be showing.
I'll ask FamilyTree DNA to explain.

Friday, November 21, 2008

Rideau Canal connection holding up

Preliminary (12 marker) results are now in for F-8, the representative of the line of Thomas & Elspeth (REDPATH) FAIRBAIRN, and they show an exact match with the two last results, F-6 the James (GOODFELLOW) line, and F-7, the Trotter line, and are reported as being a Genetic Distance of 1 from Martin (F-1), Earl (F-2) and Roy (F-3), this latter being a descendant of William (marr. Jean WANLESS) reported to have also worked on the Rideau Canal.
So, on the face of it, there is indeed some connection between the two Rideau Canal workers, William and Thomas FAIRBAIRN (see the Patriarchs page for outline lineages).

Tuesday, November 18, 2008

18th: New results, new match info lineage 1

37 marker results are now in for F-6 a descendant of James and Helen (GOODFELLOW) FAIRBAIRN, James probably being the son of George & Janet (MURRAY) FAIRBAIRN.

This has shown that the initial match (11/12) with the existing participants in Lineage 1 is still there, but is now a Genetic Distance of 2 with the representative of the family of Archibald & Alison (CROSSER) FAIRBAIRN and GD 3 with both of the others.

I presume the difference in these Genetic Distance numbers is because Doug is 34/37 with Earl and Roy, and to my untrained eye, looks the same to Martin, BUT one of the mismatches with Martin is on CDY a, a faster mutating marker, so possibly if both have mutated compared to the others, that's one less mark against in the Genetic Distance stakes?

Some web updates to the WorldFamilies.net pages:
- Patriarchs page has had some small edits to the pedigree of William & Margaret (SCOTT) FAIRBAIRN pedigree to add a wife and occupation to son John as I'm now in touch with a descendant, and between us we may find an eligible participant).
- results page updated to reflect the 37 markers referred to above
- discussion pages updated slightly to acknowledge the two new matches on Lineage 1

Sunday, November 9, 2008

9th: New web page

Check out the new Surname DNA Projects Portal web page.
It has been designed as an overview/introduction to assorted Surname DNA Projects, with links to their pages, along with some additional information such as submitted links of interest to the surname concerned.
If you have a web page of interest to FAIRBAIRN researchers, use the email link at the bottom of each page to send the details for it to be included in the Web Pages link.
Very few of the FAIRBAIRN lineages are included as yet, more to come.

8th: 3 new results, 2 matches

Result pages updated with several recent sets of results:
a) 2 preliminary 12 marker sets representing the lines of James and Helen (GOODFELLOW) FAIRBAIRN and of Trotter and Jean (FAIRBAIRN) FAIRBAIRN.
These two lines have a 12/12 match with each other, and 11/12 match with all 3 Lineage I representatives. However, at only 12 markers and no records available to show how the lines connect, I'm waiting until the next set of markers come in.
Trotter is a brick wall for David, although I found it interesting that they married at Ladykirk, which is where David, son of Archibald and Alison CROSSER, had one of his daughters baptised.
James married Helen GOODFELLOW at Maxton in 1813, and rather looks like he is the son of George FAIRBAIRN and Janet MURRAY, but they inconsiderately emigrated to Canada before appearing in a Scottish census.

b) Full 67 marker results in for the representative of the line of Robert & Janet (HOGARTH) FAIRBAIRN. No match within project, but several matches with MONTGOMERY families. To be investigated further.

Friday, October 10, 2008

10th: Pedigree added - John & Helen (CAMPBELL) FAIRBAIRN

Patriarchs page updated with pedigree for the latest participant - descendant of John FAIRBAIRN and Helen CAMPBELL (with possible connections to Robert FAIRBAIRN, writer in Dunse?)

Saturday, October 4, 2008

Thursday, October 2, 2008

Pedigrees added for the "cousins"

Patriarchs page updated with pedigrees for the Hoquiam (Washington State) & Sunderland (Durahm, England) "cousins", participants yet to be found.

Tuesday, September 30, 2008

8th kit - Thomas & Elspeth (REDPATH) FAIRBAIRN

8th participant welcomed, and Patriarchs page updated to shift his pedigree (that of Thomas FAIRBAIRN b. abt 1790 Gordon, BEW, married to Elspeth REDPATH) up into the "in progress" section.
Hoping to see if related to William & Jean (WANLESS) FAIRBAIRN of Wakefield Quebec, given that both Thomas and William worked on the Rideau Canal, and William was supposed to have a brother Thomas.
Still looking for participants from among the descendants of John FAIRBAIRN and Elisabeth MILLER, lived Hardenberg, NY.

Monday, September 22, 2008

7th kit ordered - Trotter FAIRBAIRN descendant

7th participant welcomed, and Patriarchs page updated with his pedigree (that of Trotter FAIRBAIRN of Duns, Berwickshire, married in Ladykirk, BEW to Jane/Jean FAIRBAIRN of Kelso, family moved to Sunderland).
Hoping to find a participant from the other Sunderland FAIRBAIRN family, that of Robert and Elizabeth (TAYLOR) FAIRBAIRN, forebears of the Albert who ended up in Hoquiam and claimed John A FAIRBAIRN Jnr of Hoquiam as a cousin, and presumably therefore also a cousin to David & Jane (WILLIAMSON) FAIRBAIRN and William & Jean (WANLESS) FAIRBAIRN of Wakefield Quebec.

Saturday, September 20, 2008

20th: Pedigree updates

Pedigree added for Robert and H or Amelia (WALKER) FAIRBAIRN of Darlington Mills/Bowmanville Ontario. Robert from Duns Berwickshire, and had a brother in Haddington "in dry goods". Anyone researching the family?
Also a few tweaks to the pedigree of John and Elisabeth (MILLER) FAIRBAIRN of New York, the potential relation of Walter and Agnes (ROBERTSON) FAIRBAIRN.
Hoping to find a participant from both of these families..

Wednesday, September 17, 2008

17th: Web page updates

Pages revamped to get them more consistent in look and feel.
Discussion page updated to include the new lineage and current thinking on how lineage 1 does or doesn't fit together, along with a list of families where participants for the project would be particularly welcome - if you are thinking of joining, get in quick, the great discounts only apply until the end of the month.

Sunday, September 14, 2008

14th: New lineage

Results page updated to show first 25 markers for the William FAIRBAIRN/May CARTER line representative. Our first additional lineage, ie no match with the existing participants.

Sunday, September 7, 2008

Cousins needed

Participants needed from families of John A & Sarah (DAUGHTERTY) FAIRBAIRN of Hoquiam, Washington State, David & Jane (WILLIAMSON) FAIRBAIRN of Quebec, and Robert & Elizabeth (TAYLOR) FAIRBAIRN (family of Sunderland then Liverpool and London).
Descendants of both David and Robert claim to be cousins to descendants of John A & Sarah.
Would be good to find out how come as there is no immediately obvious link in at least 4 generations.

Wednesday, August 27, 2008

6th kit - FAIRBAIRN/GOODFELLOW

Sixth kit ordered - descendant of James FAIRBAIRN and Helen GOODFELLOW, James from Maxton, Roxburghshire, emigrated abt 1833, probably from Eccles, Berwickshire, and settled around Spencerville, Ontario

Tuesday, July 22, 2008

22nd: 5th kit - FAIRBAIRN/SINTON

Fifth kit ordered - descendant of Robert FAIRBAIRN and Janet HOGARTH via son William FAIRBAIRN who married Isabella SINTON of Eckford around 1831, settled Egremont, Ontario about 1858

Monday, June 23, 2008

23rd: 4th kit ordered - Greenlaw FAIRBAIRNs

Fourth kit ordered - descendant of William FAIRBAIRN and May CARTER, who married Greenlaw, Berwickshire, 1792.

Tuesday, June 3, 2008

3rd: Pedigree update for Archibald and Alison (CROSSER) FAIRBAIRN

Patriarchs page updated to reflect recent findings for Archibald FAIRBAIRN & Alison CROSSER's sons David and James (including some FAIRCHILDs into the tree).

Monday, May 12, 2008

12th: Haplogroup updates

Haplogroups updated on Results page to reflect recent changes to the 2008 Y-Chromosome Phylogenetic Tree. Visit FamilyTree DNA's Haplogroup Nomenclature FAQ for more information.

Friday, April 25, 2008

Sunday, March 16, 2008

16th: Reby DODDS' William F tree added

Patriarchs page now includes an outline pedigree for the earliest part of the William (m. Jean WANLESS) tree as documented by Reby DODDS in her "Who's Which" (1970), and comparative pedigrees for some of the people referenced.

Friday, March 14, 2008

14th: Upgrades ordered for 1st 3 kits

Upgrades from 37 to 67 markers in progress for all 3 participants to try and sort out where William fits into the chain and how closely all 3 will match at the higher number of markers.

Saturday, March 8, 2008

8th: Patriarchs page updated

Patriarchs page revamped to split William (m. Jean WANLESS) out into his own pedigree separate from the John FAIRBAIRN/Helen ANDERSON one, for now. Perhaps a participant from that line may enable us to shift him back in again and unite all the trees?

Friday, March 7, 2008

7th:3 kits out of 3 matching at 37 markers

Full 37 marker results in for the 3rd kit, a descendant of William & Jean (WANLESS) FAIRBAIRN, with a full 37/37 match with one participant, the descendant of Charles and Mary (BATE) FAIRBAIRN, and 36/37 match with the other, the descendant of Archibald and Janet (SCOTT) FAIRBAIRN. As the researcher of this line believed they traced back to Andrew FAIRBAIRN (married Margaret HENDERSON), the line of Sir William FAIRBAIRN (married Dorothy MARR), we are therefore very interested in hearing from anyone down these lines of who would like to join the project to help verify this or further determine the exact relationships. Patriarch charts will be updated shortly to reflect this exciting breakthrough.

Thursday, March 6, 2008

6th: Preliminary 12 marker results in for 3rd kit

Preliminary (12 marker) results in for the third kit, that of a descendant of William and Jean (WANLESS) FAIRBAIRN, and determined to be a full 12/12 match with both previous kits.
As there was no known relationship between the two, this is rather exciting.

Wednesday, February 6, 2008

6th: 3rd kit has reached lab

Third kit back to lab (descendant of William and Jean (WANLESS) FAIRBAIRN).
Still looking for participants, in particular from the families listed on the bottom of the Discussion page.